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[Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:11:10 PM EDT] bridge test [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:11:16 PM EDT] pong [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:11:20 PM EDT] ping [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:11:24 PM EDT] got you loud and clear on irc bcotton [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:11:43 PM EDT] Quit AquaL1te (~AquaL1te@user/aqual1te) has left this server (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:11:48 PM EDT] adamw proposed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2136234 as a new blocker about 20 minutes ago, he's probably busy investigating [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:12:05 PM EDT] oh fun, the matrix bridge is down, too [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:12:16 PM EDT] .fasinfo bcotton [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:12:17 PM EDT] bcotton_: User: bcotton, Name: Ben Cotton, Email: bcotton@redhat.com, Creation: 2009-05-19T21:20:28, IRC Nicks: bcotton and bcotton_, Timezone: America/Indiana/Indianapolis, Locale: en-US, GPG Key IDs: D9CD1319AB46AA74, Status: None [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:12:19 PM EDT] does zodbot work? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:12:19 PM EDT] yay [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:12:20 PM EDT] bcotton_: Groups: fedora-contributor, advocates, commops, communishift, community-blog, council, docs, elections, fedorabugs, gitfedora-project-schedule, gitfedora-web, iot, marketing, packager, summer-coding, web, wikiedit [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:12:21 PM EDT] okay [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:07 PM EDT] #startmeeting F37 Final Go/No-Go meeting [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:07 PM EDT] Meeting started Thu Oct 20 17:13:07 2022 UTC. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:07 PM EDT] This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:07 PM EDT] The chair is bcotton_. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:07 PM EDT] Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 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[Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:31 PM EDT] .hi [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:32 PM EDT] dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:36 PM EDT] .hello humaton [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:36 PM EDT] .hi bittin [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:38 PM EDT] jednorozec: humaton 'Tomáš Hrčka' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:41 PM EDT] luna: luna 'lu na' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:43 PM EDT] .hello bittin [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:45 PM EDT] luna: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:54 PM EDT] Hi, kadavro [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:13:59 PM EDT] weird that .hi doesn't work [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:14:01 PM EDT] .hello dustymabe [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:14:02 PM EDT] .hi [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:14:02 PM EDT] dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:14:05 PM EDT] kadavro: kadavro 'Kim Österberg' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:14:08 PM EDT] .nextmeetings [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:14:12 PM EDT] geraldosimiao: One moment, please... 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[Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:15:44 PM EDT] RIP zodbot [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:15:58 PM EDT] here comes the bridge? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:05 PM EDT] 😔 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:07 PM EDT] .hello [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:07 PM EDT] copperi: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:14 PM EDT] .hello copperi [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:15 PM EDT] copperi: copperi 'Jan Kuparinen' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:19 PM EDT] okay, let's get this over with [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:21 PM EDT] bcotton_: works on the IRC side [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:27 PM EDT] #topic Purpose of this meeting [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:27 PM EDT] Topic zodbot sets the channel topic to "Purpose of this meeting (Meeting topic: F37 Final Go/No-Go meeting)". [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:32 PM EDT] Supermanbot knockitout [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:32 PM EDT] go/no-go is in one minute i believe [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:50 PM EDT] #info Purpose of this meeting is to check whether or not F37 is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:16:55 PM EDT] #info This is determined in a few ways: [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:00 PM EDT] #info 1. No remaining blocker bugs [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:05 PM EDT] #info 2. Release candidate compose is available [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:10 PM EDT] #info 3. Test matrices for Beta are fully completed [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:12 PM EDT] we'll see what zodbot has to say about that [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:12 PM EDT] #startmeeting F37 Final Go/No-Go meeting [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:13 PM EDT] bcotton: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:13 PM EDT] #undo [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:13 PM EDT] Removing item from minutes: INFO by bcotton_ at 17:17:10 : 3. Test matrices for Beta are fully completed [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:17 PM EDT] #info 3. Test matrices for Final are fully completed [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:25 PM EDT] #topic Current status - blockers [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:26 PM EDT] #meetingname F37-Final-Go_No_Go-meeting [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:26 PM EDT] Topic zodbot sets the channel topic to "Current status - blockers (Meeting topic: F37 Final Go/No-Go meeting)". [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:26 PM EDT] The meeting name has been set to 'f37-final-go_no_go-meeting' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:30 PM EDT] #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/37/final/buglist [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:32 PM EDT] ohno! [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:33 PM EDT] 😬 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:33 PM EDT] oh no [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:42 PM EDT] #info 4 Proposed Blockers [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:17:42 PM EDT] #info 1 Accepted Blockers [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:07 PM EDT] adamw: want to run through the two that are overwhelmingly negative since we're here or just do the kernel one? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:17 PM EDT] and the gnome-settings [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:27 PM EDT] * bcotton goes to the infra channel [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:27 PM EDT] Perhaps he's on at fedora meeting1? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:27 PM EDT] yeah, we have bad news [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:32 PM EDT] Join adamw_ (~adamw@d172-218-245-5.bchsia.telus.net) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:34 PM EDT] bcotton, no need I think [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:53 PM EDT] .hello adamwill [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:54 PM EDT] adamw_: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:56 PM EDT] #topic (2136471) Settings crashes when trying to edit WPA2 Enterprise wifi without a stored password [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:56 PM EDT] #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2136471 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:56 PM EDT] #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/981 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:56 PM EDT] #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-control-center, NEW [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:18:56 PM EDT] Topic zodbot sets the channel topic to "(2136471) Settings crashes when trying to edit WPA2 Enterprise wifi without a stored password (Meeting topic: F37 Final Go/No-Go meeting)". [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:12 PM EDT] .hello ngompa [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:14 PM EDT] this one is pretty on the fence for me... [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:18 PM EDT] definitely at least an FE [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:21 PM EDT] Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:31 PM EDT] yeah, it looks like this has been around since at least F35? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:37 PM EDT] oh dear [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:37 PM EDT] zodbot is dead everywhere [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:54 PM EDT] No, zod is out at other rooms too [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:19:56 PM EDT] bcotton: Yeah [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:20:21 PM EDT] * jednorozec sharpens stick and goes poke zodbot [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:20:23 PM EDT] (yay for the bridge catching up 15 minutes later) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:21:54 PM EDT] So, let's go analogical: [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:21:54 PM EDT] Hello my name is Geraldo, and I'm a fedora fan since... [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:21:55 PM EDT] to me, it does seem like a pretty clear conditional violation of "All elements of the default panel (or equivalent) configuration in all release-blocking desktops must function correctly in typical use.", even if it's one we apparently missed in the past [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:22:04 PM EDT] 😁 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:22:45 PM EDT] we'll wait a few more minutes to see if i can get someone to plug zodbot back in [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:22:50 PM EDT] otherwise, i'll just echo the chat through my teletype machine [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:22:50 PM EDT] Ok. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:22:50 PM EDT] Maybe we hold off on the meeting until Zodbot is back in the hopes that a fix for the RPi 4 issue shows up? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:22:51 PM EDT] 👴 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:23:09 PM EDT] 👀 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:23:22 PM EDT] anyone else have opinions on this one [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:23:43 PM EDT] I think i'd have to lean toward +1 blocker unless someone can talk me out of it :-) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:24:06 PM EDT] bcotton_, well sure, but 'conditional' means 'not necessarily a blocker' :D [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:24:32 PM EDT] if it's conditional it's a subjective decision, this one's a bit close for me [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:24:37 PM EDT] i can see it both ways [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:24:43 PM EDT] aye :-) but "prevents my manager from being able to edit his wifi connection at the office" is a good reason to put me on the "let's block" side of the fence [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:25:08 PM EDT] blocker for me, but could be waived if needed. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:25:24 PM EDT] when it was there for two releases, it could wait for the update [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:25:32 PM EDT] i guess the real question is "how often does someone need to edit a wpa2 connection?" [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:25:42 PM EDT] +-0 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:25:56 PM EDT] err PEAP. but i know hwat i mean [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:26:14 PM EDT] yeah, okay, i think i've talked myself out of it [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:26:25 PM EDT] oh yeah, i meant to mention 'it's broken on f36 too' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:26:27 PM EDT] Quit zodbot (~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot) has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:26:40 PM EDT] bcotton, the "red hat office factor" is kinda a real one though. :P [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:26:42 PM EDT] huh [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:27:05 PM EDT] .hello adamwill [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:27:05 PM EDT] :P [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:27:12 PM EDT] zodbot died [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:27:27 PM EDT] adamw_: not in 2022 ;-) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:27:45 PM EDT] Quit adamw (~adamw@2001:470:69fc:105::1:6c3) has left this server (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by adamw_!~adamw@d172-218-245-5.bchsia.telus.net))). [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:27:50 PM EDT] Nick adamw_ is now known as adamw. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:27:51 PM EDT] Join zodbot (~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:27:55 PM EDT] nice try, whoever that was ;) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:28:29 PM EDT] okay, so i'm -1 now. luna is 0. adam is...in deep philosophical struggle [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:28:33 PM EDT] any other votes? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:28:35 PM EDT] in other news, it appears the bridge is down? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:28:49 PM EDT] i thought we knew the bridge was down, that's why i'm on IRC? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:28:59 PM EDT] Quit Guest91667 (~Guest9166@2a09:80c0:16::1101) has left this server (Quit: Client closed). [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:28:59 PM EDT] adamw: that's the bridge catching up [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:29:05 PM EDT] good old irc always works [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:29:35 PM EDT] oh, haha [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:29:41 PM EDT] i ghosted myself? good job me [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:29:44 PM EDT] so now what happens :P [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:30:01 PM EDT] okay, matrix bridge is down. i'm going to start the meeting IRC side. should be relatively short, unfortunately [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:30:01 PM EDT] I hate to say it, but I agree [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:30:35 PM EDT] yeah, anyway, i'm in deep philosophical struggle and now need to talk to a matrix admin. :P [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:31:46 PM EDT] proposed #agreed 2136471 - Delay decision (punt) - The meeting is in struggle mode and we have a more obvious blocker to evaluate so we can let folks consider this one a bit longer. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:32:28 PM EDT] .hello copperi [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:32:31 PM EDT] +1 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:32:42 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:10 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:13 PM EDT] #agreed 2136471 - Delay decision (punt) - The meeting is in struggle mode and we have a more obvious blocker to evaluate so we can let folks consider this one a bit longer. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:23 PM EDT] #topic (2136234) No video on Raspberry Pi 4 with kernel 5.19.15 and 5.19.16 (testing) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:23 PM EDT] #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2136234 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:23 PM EDT] #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/982 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:23 PM EDT] #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:36 PM EDT] if only we hadn't decided to support the rpi 4 ;-) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:43 PM EDT] but this is a pretty clear +1 to me [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:51 PM EDT] +1 (just becouse you decided to support the Rpi 4) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:33:52 PM EDT] +1 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:34:04 PM EDT] +1 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:34:08 PM EDT] +1 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:35:09 PM EDT] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2136234#c4 has anyone tested if the f37 Kernel 6 works ? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:35:30 PM EDT] luna, coremodule did [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:35:30 PM EDT] proposed #agreed 2136234 - AcceptedBlocker(Final) - Violates Basic criterion "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop using a user account created during installation or a 'first boot' utility" on RPi 4 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:35:48 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:35:51 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:35:51 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:35:52 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:15 PM EDT] lruzicka: ah and did it work or not? then it might not be a problem as Kernel 6 is shipped in a few weeks after the test week i think? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:15 PM EDT] lruzicka: well, i think coremodule tried a rawhide kernel [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:16 PM EDT] yes, the rawhide colonel fixes the issue [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:31 PM EDT] #agreed 2136234 - AcceptedBlocker(Final) - Violates Basic criterion "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop using a user account created during installation or a 'first boot' utility" on RPi 4 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:36 PM EDT] Colonel Fixed [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:39 PM EDT] luna: that's not a fix, though. we need it to work at release time [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:42 PM EDT] adamw, but it was a 6 family kernel [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:43 PM EDT] * bcotton_ made the mistake of refreshing blockerbugs [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:48 PM EDT] coremodule: ah did you test Kernel 6 for F37: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=93057900 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:36:57 PM EDT] luna off-topic [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:00 PM EDT] #topic (2136337) NVIDIA Jetson Xavier NX hangs on boot xhci-hcd [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:00 PM EDT] #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2136337 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:00 PM EDT] #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/983 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:00 PM EDT] #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:05 PM EDT] ok [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:16 PM EDT] so i saw this one while i was looking through kernel bugs to see if the raspi4 one was reported [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:39 PM EDT] copperi[m]: copperi 'Jan Kuparinen' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:40 PM EDT] this kinda looks and quacks like a blocker, though i don't know who else (apart from pbrobinson) has a xavier to confirm it [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:37:59 PM EDT] i asked folks on our team with a nano to try that, i have one here but the damn thing is refusing to boot atm [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:38:08 PM EDT] +-0 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:38:18 PM EDT] we could potentially punt on this one too to gather info from kernel folks etc. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:39:21 PM EDT] I'd go with punting [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:39:25 PM EDT] also... [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:39:28 PM EDT] .hello ngompa [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:39:29 PM EDT] yeah, that's probably the best [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:39:32 PM EDT] King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:40:21 PM EDT] Join marcdeop (~marcdeop@dslb-188-098-021-010.188.098.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:40:41 PM EDT] proposed #agreed 2136337 - Delay decision (punt) - Delaying in order to confirm the behavior on other Jetson Xavier devices [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:40:56 PM EDT] patches welcome. that's a bad 'splainer, but maybe good enough? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:00 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:02 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:07 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:10 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:11 PM EDT] fine by me [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:11 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:11 PM EDT] ack [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:20 PM EDT] #agreed 2136337 - Delay decision (punt) - Delaying in order to confirm the behavior on other Jetson Xavier devices [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:42 PM EDT] any other blocker candidates to raise? ;-) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:41:52 PM EDT] Join juhp (~juhp@128.106.188.82) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:42:01 PM EDT] #topic Current status - blockers [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:42:18 PM EDT] #info We now have 3 unresolved accepted blockers and 3 pending proposals [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:42:42 PM EDT] #topic Current status - release candidate [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:42:46 PM EDT] #info We have one, but... [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:42:59 PM EDT] anything else to add here? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:02 PM EDT] well [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:06 PM EDT] we can in theory talk about waiving blockers [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:07 PM EDT] Join Geraldosimiao202 (~Geraldosi@2804:d55:0:9495::1) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:13 PM EDT] installed RC 1.2 in Virtualbox yesterday and worked for me and tested latest 6.0.2 kernel too and works [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:25 PM EDT] that's what i would've suggested at this point if we didn't have the raspi one [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:35 PM EDT] #undo [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:37 PM EDT] #undo [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:40 PM EDT] but, i don't realistically think we can ship without working on pi. not sure if it's worth even formally voting on [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:53 PM EDT] .hello geraldosimiao [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:43:54 PM EDT] Geraldosimiao202: geraldosimiao 'Geraldo S. Simião Kutz' [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:44:01 PM EDT] adam raises a good point. anyone care to propose that we waive all of the currently accepted blockers? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:44:19 PM EDT] i only count two accepted, btw [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:44:23 PM EDT] gnome-calendar and raspi [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:44:30 PM EDT] adamw: you're right [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:44:33 PM EDT] #undo [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:44:40 PM EDT] there are two proposed you didn't call a vote on either [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:44:47 PM EDT] #info We now have 2 unresolved accepted blockers and 4 pending proposals [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:45:01 PM EDT] we can do those off the ticket vote though i guess [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:45:14 PM EDT] yeah, there wasn't much enthusiasm for discussing when i first raised that [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:45:45 PM EDT] two of the proposals have overwhelming ticket votes and the other two we just punted on [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:45:55 PM EDT] last call for waive proposals [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:46:01 PM EDT] delay until the Raspi 4 one are fixed, hopefully in start of November and release before the Online release party 4-5th November [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:46:50 PM EDT] okay, so now we can move on for real this time :-) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:46:58 PM EDT] #topic Current status - release candidate [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:47:14 PM EDT] there is one, it doesn't fix the blockers. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:47:26 PM EDT] Join adamw1 (~adamw@2001:470:69fc:105::1:6c3) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:47:26 PM EDT] Mode ChanServ gives adamw1 permission to talk. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:47:28 PM EDT] oh hey, i guess that's the bridge putting me back [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:47:30 PM EDT] #info RC 1.2 is the current release candidate. it does not have fixes for all ofthe blockers [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:47:31 PM EDT] hi me [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:47:43 PM EDT] Hi [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:47:44 PM EDT] double adam! [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:48:21 PM EDT] the remaining blockers are arm ones, right? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:48:27 PM EDT] the only thing better than one adamw... [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:48:38 PM EDT] King_InuYasha: and a gnome-calendar one [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:48:45 PM EDT] ~_~ [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:48:49 PM EDT] #topic Current status - test matrices [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:48:55 PM EDT] the calendar one would likely be waivable [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:48:59 PM EDT] #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_37_Test_Results [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:49:01 PM EDT] raspi is the one we're really blocked on [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:49:16 PM EDT] well, test coverage is pretty great! shame about the whole 'can't possibly release it' thing [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:49:26 PM EDT] #info the test coverage is pretty great [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:49:26 PM EDT] i think we have just about everything [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:49:50 PM EDT] Join bassjoe (~Thunderbi@p4fd13d87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:50:00 PM EDT] since we have a kernel bug to fix, how much of the matrix gets invalidated by that, do you think? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:50:23 PM EDT] could install 37 RC 1.2 in Virtualbox and download Kernel 6.0.2.1 via Koji but has been bad at reporting too the matric as i been sick this week [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:51:01 PM EDT] could we compose with a 6.0 kernel and see if that fixes it? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:51:26 PM EDT] King_InuYasha: +1 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:51:43 PM EDT] though if we did that, I'd like btrfs-progs 6.0 to come along for the ride too :( [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:51:50 PM EDT] but I don't know if we could squeeze it [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:52:10 PM EDT] bcotton: good question. basically all the 'smoke tests', and depending on how change we have to put in the kernel we might want more opportunity to catch new bugs on random hardware [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:52:26 PM EDT] but *hopefully* the change could be restricted as tightly as possible to raspi code [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:52:35 PM EDT] in which case we wouldn't have to worry too much about the update breaking anything else [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:52:39 PM EDT] here's hoping [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:52:54 PM EDT] King_InuYasha: that's not gonna happen, kernel team picks the release kernel way ahead of time. we very much want f37 to release with 5.19 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:53:04 PM EDT] oh [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:53:12 PM EDT] it'd be pretty crazy to just be like 'screw it, we're going 6.0' at this stage of the game [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:53:22 PM EDT] anything else on the test matrices? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:53:23 PM EDT] when we have no idea if some other random bit of hardware we care about would be broken by 6.0 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:53:41 PM EDT] bcotton_: don't think so [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:53:48 PM EDT] Quit Geraldosimiao202 (~Geraldosi@2804:d55:0:9495::1) has left this server (Quit: Client closed). [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:53:49 PM EDT] just thanks to everyone who helped fill them out [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:05 PM EDT] Join marcdeop[m] (~marcdeopm@2001:470:69fc:105::573) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:05 PM EDT] Mode ChanServ gives marcdeop[m] permission to talk. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:08 PM EDT] #topic Go/No-Go decision [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:14 PM EDT] #info We cannot be GO by policy [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:22 PM EDT] * marcdeop[m] is present 🙂 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:22 PM EDT] #agreed Fedora Linux 37 is NO-GO [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:28 PM EDT] #info The next F37 Go/No-Go meeting will be Thursday, 2022-10-27 at 1700 UTC [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:29 PM EDT] ayup [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:31 PM EDT] +1 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:34 PM EDT] #info F37 shifts to target date #2: Tuesday 2022-11-01 [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:39 PM EDT] #action bcotton to announce decision [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:44 PM EDT] #topic Open floor [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:54 PM EDT] anything else we need to cover before we close this meeting? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:54:54 PM EDT] to be clear, policy doesn't allow us to try and hero a go/no-go tomorrow at this point, right? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:55:02 PM EDT] nope [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:55:04 PM EDT] it wouldn't likely be practical anyway given the time a kernel build and compose take, but just for the record [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:55:31 PM EDT] i don't know if there's an explicit policy one way or another, but i've been told if we do that, we shouldn't expect CPE staff to work over the weekend [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:55:49 PM EDT] so there's an effective policy against it :-) [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:56:28 PM EDT] We are on irc side [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:57:12 PM EDT] last call [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:57:29 PM EDT] bcotton_: well, in that world the compose would happen today, assuming we magically pull a kernel build out of our butts when jforbes says he doesn't know what the fix is yet. :P [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:57:58 PM EDT] that could happen [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:58:05 PM EDT] it's unlikely as hell, but it could [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:58:12 PM EDT] adamw: the kernel test week for 6 is still until Sunday aswell [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:58:37 PM EDT] Join Guest25 (~Guest25@55d4e2a2.access.ecotel.net) has joined this channel. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:58:42 PM EDT] but the go/no-go would be tomorrow, which means certain releng tasks have to be performed on saturday AIUI [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:58:43 PM EDT] Well, there is a possibility that the patches pbrobinson brought in to fix another pi issue have broken the pi 4, timing lines up [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:59:12 PM EDT] So that is a potential fix, but what does reverting those break? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [1:59:47 PM EDT] yeah, i don't like the idea of just randomly reverting stuff much, especially not for a hero effort [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:00:14 PM EDT] i did look for upstream discussion of this and saw nothing, though, so that does kinda suggest the problem might be in downstream patches [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:00:45 PM EDT] as I recall, a lot of this wasn't upstream in 5.19 to begin with. [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:01:08 PM EDT] Quit linuxrulez (~linuxrule@122.169.1.227) has left this server (Quit: Leaving). [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:01:31 PM EDT] what was the bug that led to it being pulled in? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:01:33 PM EDT] alrighty, well i have a schedule to update, and email to send, and some bugs to secretarialize. thanks everyone, we'll see you next week! [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:01:38 PM EDT] #endmeeting [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:01:42 PM EDT] cyas [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:01:52 PM EDT] bye [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:01:57 PM EDT] * King_InuYasha heads back into the Matrix [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:02:01 PM EDT] mmm what's the channel? #fedora-meeting in libera.chat? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:02:04 PM EDT] ahem. zodbot, my links, please? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:02:31 PM EDT] marcdeop[m]: yep [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:02:33 PM EDT] oh...looks like zodbot has been out for a while, looking at the topic [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:03:20 PM EDT] Part kuba3351 (~androirc@095160047241.rzeszow.vectranet.pl) has left this channel (Zamknij). [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:03:22 PM EDT] 17:26:25 is the last timestamp in https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2022-10-20/f37-final-go_no_go-meeting.2022-10-20-17.13.log.txt [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:03:29 PM EDT] * bcotton_ curses the magic thinking rocks [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:03:48 PM EDT] yes [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:03:53 PM EDT] thanks Silicon Sam [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:04:20 PM EDT] can maybe save the log from irssi if i figure out how to do? [Thursday, October 20, 2022] [2:04:28 PM EDT] * kadavro is off for other adventures